thank you so much for the help line number, i will try that.
any luck that anyone out there has a link for proof of the JW running for President or JWs voting?
hi, in a continued effort to educate my fiance and open his eyes, i am trying to understand how to refute certain things he has said and get proof of some of the issues that i have read on various threads here over the past week.
please, please, can people answer back on how i should respond.... 1. in franz's book, he doesn't come out and say that he was one of the annointed, but yet he accepted a position as a member of the gb (my fiance spoke to franz last week and asked him a question regarding being annointed, to which franz answered "well, i had the a heavenly hope that i was annointed.." well, that threw my fiance off and now he doubts whether franz ever truly believed he was annointed.
i have told him that noone can ever prove if they were annointed, but he says that the annointed "just know, they have that feeling and know without a doubt that they will be in heaven with god and jesus.
thank you so much for the help line number, i will try that.
any luck that anyone out there has a link for proof of the JW running for President or JWs voting?
hi, in a continued effort to educate my fiance and open his eyes, i am trying to understand how to refute certain things he has said and get proof of some of the issues that i have read on various threads here over the past week.
please, please, can people answer back on how i should respond.... 1. in franz's book, he doesn't come out and say that he was one of the annointed, but yet he accepted a position as a member of the gb (my fiance spoke to franz last week and asked him a question regarding being annointed, to which franz answered "well, i had the a heavenly hope that i was annointed.." well, that threw my fiance off and now he doubts whether franz ever truly believed he was annointed.
i have told him that noone can ever prove if they were annointed, but he says that the annointed "just know, they have that feeling and know without a doubt that they will be in heaven with god and jesus.
Hi, in a continued effort to educate my fiance and open his eyes, I am trying to understand how to refute certain things he has said and get proof of some of the issues that I have read on various threads here over the past week. Please, please, can people answer back on how I should respond...
1. In Franz's book, he doesn't come out and say that he was one of the annointed, but yet he accepted a position as a member of the GB (my fiance spoke to Franz last week and asked him a question regarding being annointed, to which Franz answered "Well, I had the a heavenly hope that I was annointed.." Well, that threw my fiance off and now he doubts whether Franz ever truly believed he was annointed. I have told him that noone can ever prove if they were annointed, but he says that the annointed "just know, they have that feeling and know without a doubt that they will be in heaven with God and Jesus." To which I answered taht I could wake up tomorrow and have the same feeling - he got frustrated.
2. He keeps harping on the fact that JWs is the only religion that does not go to war with one another, love one another, and don't partake in matters of the world (Part of the world). I have told him that the scripture can be interpreted in so many different ways. I mentioned that I had seen someplace (on these posts somewhere) that a JW was running for President in a country in Africa? and that JWs somewhere else have voted...can somebody PLEASE tell me how I can find proof of this (ie newspaper article or something), he said that would be big, since he has always been taught that JWs are not to partake in any matters of the nation, etc....he thinks this is parallel to the first century Christians that came right after Christ and so it must be the right thing.
3. He keeps talking about the last year's events as signs of the end and is so scared....
Any replies would be greatly appreciated.
here is my situation: my fiance is now 27 years old.
he was raised as a jw from the age of 2 through 18. at that time, his whole family left the "truth" except for his older brother who had already married another woman from the faith.
for the past 9 years, he has been living his life to the fullest, but still loving god, praying often and he is a truly honest and moral person.
thanks OhHappyDay
here is my situation: my fiance is now 27 years old.
he was raised as a jw from the age of 2 through 18. at that time, his whole family left the "truth" except for his older brother who had already married another woman from the faith.
for the past 9 years, he has been living his life to the fullest, but still loving god, praying often and he is a truly honest and moral person.
I thought I would update the group on what happened this past weekend. My fiance and I met with his brother and sister-in-law (who never left the faith) and one of the elders from the congregation. We began with me asking a question on the validity and proof of the 607 BCE date that is relied on by Watchtower publications and teachings. The elder wanted me to tell him all my questions first. I hesitated because I did not want any of my questions to go left unanswered. But, I ended up giving a brief overview of the topics for all my questions (like 20 things...i have been doing some serious research and Bible studying in preparation for this meeting). After I said these topics, the elder said: "Excellent, very good, very good questions..." "But none of those questions are important right now, what is important for you to understand and think about is who is God, who is Jesus Christ"...The conversation went on like this with him trying to direct us to Genesis 1:1 and John 17:3 (I think thats what it was) and an Ephesians scripture...I felt like I was totally getting the runaround. After two hours, NOT ONE QUESTION got answered. I was so frustrated, as was my fiance (because he had questions as well to ask). Later, his brother and sister-in-law called and expressed their apology for what happened and that they really wanted to answer my question, etc. But, to me (and I told this to my fiance) I thought it was significant that an elder in the congregation was so skirtish about real questions that I had.
What do you all think?
here is my situation: my fiance is now 27 years old.
he was raised as a jw from the age of 2 through 18. at that time, his whole family left the "truth" except for his older brother who had already married another woman from the faith.
for the past 9 years, he has been living his life to the fullest, but still loving god, praying often and he is a truly honest and moral person.
OhHappy Day,
Thanks for the email. Sorry I haven't emailed back. The only problem is that my fiance does not have access to email on a regular basis, so it is difficult for him. I will try to tell him to email you soon.
well, i started today.... christmas shopping!
i have been waiting a long time for this pleasure and i couldn't wait another day!
well, it is only 12 weeks to go!!!
As someone who was not ever a JW, can somebody please explain to me why it is taught by JWs that OCT 1st is the date of Jesus' birth since the flocks were outside from the scriptures. Isn't there a possibility that flocks were outside in December as well? Please help me educate my inactive JW fiance who is fighting the urge to go back.
here is my situation: my fiance is now 27 years old.
he was raised as a jw from the age of 2 through 18. at that time, his whole family left the "truth" except for his older brother who had already married another woman from the faith.
for the past 9 years, he has been living his life to the fullest, but still loving god, praying often and he is a truly honest and moral person.
OhHappyDay, your advice is greatly appreciated and I agree that I should continue to show him my love and support and I pray that God will open his eyes.
Does anyone have the url address for the tallyman web page with quotes from JW's to fight them with?
here is my situation: my fiance is now 27 years old.
he was raised as a jw from the age of 2 through 18. at that time, his whole family left the "truth" except for his older brother who had already married another woman from the faith.
for the past 9 years, he has been living his life to the fullest, but still loving god, praying often and he is a truly honest and moral person.
thanks for the advice from everyone, lots to think about. does anyone have the web site for tallyman's quotes that was referred in francois' post?
here is my situation: my fiance is now 27 years old.
he was raised as a jw from the age of 2 through 18. at that time, his whole family left the "truth" except for his older brother who had already married another woman from the faith.
for the past 9 years, he has been living his life to the fullest, but still loving god, praying often and he is a truly honest and moral person.
Ohhappyday,
thank you for your response, it made me think about the possibility of US working. But, I though the JW teachings were that a JW cannot associate, especially not marry, a nonJW. How did you reconcile that in your belief system, while you were still a JW?
here is my situation: my fiance is now 27 years old.
he was raised as a jw from the age of 2 through 18. at that time, his whole family left the "truth" except for his older brother who had already married another woman from the faith.
for the past 9 years, he has been living his life to the fullest, but still loving god, praying often and he is a truly honest and moral person.
Well, I have read through all of the comments so far, many of you have suggested that I move on, while others have said that it might just take time and I must be patient. Here is an update on what has happened in the last day or so. My fiance has been reading lots of stuff from the internet from freeminds.org and various other xjw web sites that I have printed out and given him to read. He called and spoke to Randy Watters a few hours ago and he has thought of a lot of questions that he wants answered by an elder in his brother's congregation. He is waiting to get Ray Franz's book that I ordered last week so that he can read it. I think he recognizes that there are things to be questioned and so many things that he was taught that don't make sense to me, which, in turn, makes him realize that he should try to understand the support and bible scriptures which WT relies on.
I just wanted to say that I have been reading so many of the various posts on this forum during the last two days and I have learned so much (as a nonJW) from reading about all the issues you have been discussing. Thank you and I hope to be able to participate more and give my own insight (if that is welcome, from somebody who never was a JW, but who has been doing some serious Bible studying lately, to show the inconsistencies in WT teachings.)
Replies will be greatly appreciated. Any thoughts?